[Debate] George Monbiot – See No Evil

peter waterman peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com
Tue May 22 19:17:24 BST 2012 

Yoshie

I am happy to see you here, as also earlier occasionally, supporting a
traditional liberal legal principle. It suggests you do not have a totally
Manichean view of capitalism, its political values and legal practices.

However, whilst I also adhere to this legal principle, I am not talking
here as a jurist.

For example, I would have far, far preferred that Gadafi had faced a court
than to have been brutally tortured and murdered in the kind of way that he
practiced for 40 years on the people of Libya. But I do not need for him to
have gone through a legal process in order to have already condemned him
and his regime.

Would it, finally, be fair to say of you that you feel happier to be
condemning capitalist imperialist oppression and war, prefer to remain
silent about left 'left' and 'anti-imperialist' oppression and war, and
have no idea about alternatives to both?

I did ask you in my last message:

'how do you propose the Left should take a consistent approach towards the
crimes of both types of regime'

PeterW


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi <
critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:

> Which is in the interest of liberty in the affairs of justice -- the
> presumption of innocence or the presumption of guilt?
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:20 PM, peter waterman
> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yoshie:
> >
> > I have no idea how you manage to turn my thoughts upside down. I would
> have
> > thought that you had no problem with Gadafi-style 'revolutionary
> justice' as
> > long as he was in power and producing (decreasing amounts of)
> > anti-imperialist rhetoric.
> >
> > You only got excited about justice in Libya when Gadafi was overthrown.
> >
> > I do not dismiss your present attitudes toward and information about the
> > post-Gadafi regime. I am deeply troubled by these.
> >
> > What do you propose we should do about both such matters? I mean, how do
> you
> > propose the Left should take a consistent approach towards the crimes of
> > both types of regime?
> >
> > PeterW
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You mean you prefer "revolutionary justice," Libyan-rebel style, to
> >> the ongoing imperialist show trial that makes you go through tedious
> >> motions?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM, peter waterman
> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Nope, Yoshie, I don't think the Manichean Left learned that.
> >> >
> >> > I recall Raji Palme Dutt (eminence grise of the CPGB at that time)
> >> > calling
> >> > Stalin's crimes 'spots on the sun'. But others still appeal to Lenin
> or
> >> > Trotsky against Stalin, or to the early period of Soviet power against
> >> > the
> >> > later years. Even Fabians Sidney and Beatrice Webb, in the 1930s,
> wrote
> >> > a
> >> > massive book, 'Soviet Union: A New Civilisation?', later removing the
> ?.
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I would have thought the evidence of the crimes of Ratko
> >> > Mladic
> >> > to have been overwhelmingly demonstrated by his own words and
> >> > appearences,
> >> > by independent journalists and other media even before Srebernica.
> >> > However,
> >> > I will be interested to follow the trial.
> >> >
> >> > You give the strong impression of 1) not believing in his guilt and 2)
> >> > not
> >> > inclined to anyway accept a guilty finding by a bourgeois or
> imperialist
> >> > court that tries massacres of figures from the East or the South,
> whilst
> >> > not
> >> > even considering those from the West.
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunately, for those I have called the Manichean Left,
> >> > contradictions
> >> > exist within each of these entities. Thus, it was President Carter who
> >> > made
> >> > 'human rights' a major part of inter-state discourse, policy and
> action
> >> > -
> >> > with admitedly contradictory implications - not the Left (unless one
> is
> >> > to
> >> > include Amnesty International as part of this).
> >> >
> >> > As a Leftist of the Manichean Communist tradition, I thus once
> defended
> >> > Soviet nuclear weapons as 'the people's bomb', rather than seeing that
> >> > the
> >> > Soviet Union was reproducing rather than surpassing the nuclear war
> >> > strategy
> >> > of the US (which started the nuclear arms race by the mass murder of
> >> > Japanese (therefore non-white) civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >> >
> >> > E. P. Thompson was a British Communist labour historian who quit the
> >> > CPGB
> >> > after Khruschev's 'Secret Speech' and the Soviet crushing of the
> >> > Hungarian
> >> > uprising, 1956-7. He then became a major figure in the peace and
> >> > human-rights movements. Although I did not leave the CP until the
> >> > following
> >> > crisis (Soviet invasion of Communist Czechoslovakia, 1968), I would
> >> > consider
> >> > him as a significant representative of what I am proposing to call the
> >> > 'Emancipatory Left'.
> >> >
> >> > I am not sure whether you would agree.
> >> >
> >> > PeterW
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe the traditional Left learned a lesson from the evil of
> >> >> Stalinism: don't accept what the prosecution says just because the
> >> >> prosecution is more powerful than the defendant and his or her
> >> >> lawyers, especially when the judiciary and media not independent of
> >> >> the executive power and when the verdict of "Guilty" is politically
> >> >> predetermined.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM, peter waterman
> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > As a sometime critic of Monbiot, I am with him on this one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The traditional Left has always preferred genocides (or mass
> murders)
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > committed by the traditional Right.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I remained shocked but silent and inactive on the Srebenica
> massacre,
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > the decades-long repression, imprisonment and tortures carried out
> by
> >> >> > Gadafi. I could go on...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Particularly in the USA the Left (or parts of it) is so obsessed
> with
> >> >> > its
> >> >> > own Evil Empire that it cannot recognise, or concern itself with,
> >> >> > evils
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > may not be imperial. I have been twice deeply shocked by the
> approval
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > sympathy or understanding demonstrated by two sophisticated and
> >> >> > well-published US Leftists for Sendero Luminoso (the Shining Path
> >> >> > Maoist
> >> >> > guerilla movement in Peru). One of them continued his fascination
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > them
> >> >> > even after I told him of their assasination of Maria-Elena Moyano -
> >> >> > elected
> >> >> > leader of the women's movement and Deputy Mayor of Villa El
> Salvador
> >> >> > (then
> >> >> > the Soweto of Lima). The other's criticism was limited to saying
> that
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > had done the guerilla strategy in Latin America a bad turn - in
> other
> >> >> > words
> >> >> > that they had been a little too violent or radical.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am therefore disappointed but hardly shocked to hear that Michael
> >> >> > Albert
> >> >> > refused to publish something which took major issue with Herman and
> >> >> > Peterson
> >> >> > book. (So all credit to the Australian Green Left for putting this
> >> >> > matter up
> >> >> > for debate).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The issue, however, is not one for the US Left or the Australian
> >> >> > Left,
> >> >> > it is
> >> >> > for the Left. Or at least with the Manichean Left - that part which
> >> >> > sees
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > world in terms of binary oppositions, marked as either Virtuous or
> >> >> > Vicious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Indeed, I have long wondered whether we do not need to say Farewell
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Left, covered with the blood and mud of two centuries (and I here
> >> >> > include
> >> >> > imperialist/militarist Social-Democrats alongside the
> >> >> > Lenin-Stalin-Mao-Etc-ists). Or at least to qualify Left in the
> light
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > history. I would suggest 'Emancipatory' as this qualifier today,
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > include those in the past who, like Monbiot now, are prepared to be
> >> >> > attacked
> >> >> > as supporting the line of Washington. In earlier times they were
> >> >> > called
> >> >> > 'Rootless Cosmopolitans' (Stalin) or 'Running Dogs of US
> Imperialism'
> >> >> > (Mao).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I do not unconditionally agree with Monbiot that the trials in The
> >> >> > Hague
> >> >> > make the world a better place. This because, so far, they have all
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > 'lesser breeds without the law' (Bosnia and Serbia being considered
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > only
> >> >> > on the ex-Communist periphery of Western Civilisation). But like
> >> >> > Monbiot, I
> >> >> > want to see Bush and Blair on trial for mass murders far more
> >> >> > extensive
> >> >> > than
> >> >> > those carried out by Radic. Those trials would certainly make the
> >> >> > world
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > better and safer place.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM, glparramatta
> >> >> > <glparramatta at greenleft.org.au> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/21/see-no-evil/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The African left has loudly reject this denialist nonsense from
> >> >> >> Edward
> >> >> >> Herman and David Peterson
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  See No Evil
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>    May 21, 2012
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How did genocide denial become a doctrine of the internationalist
> >> >> >> left?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 22nd May 2012.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The term genocide conjures up attempts to kill an entire people:
> the
> >> >> >> German slaughter of the Jews or the Herero, the Turkish slaughter
> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Armenians, the near-extermination of the Native Americans. But the
> >> >> >> identity of the crime does not depend on its scale or success:
> >> >> >> genocide
> >> >> >> means “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
> part, a
> >> >> >> national, ethnical, racial or religious group.”(1)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Though, in 1995, the women and children of Srebrenica were first
> >> >> >> removed
> >> >> >> from the killing grounds by Bosnian Serb troops, though the 8,000
> >> >> >> men
> >> >> >> and boys they killed were a small proportion of the Bosnian Muslim
> >> >> >> population, it meets the definition. So the trial of Ratko Mladic,
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> troops’ commander, which began last week, matters. Whatever one
> >> >> >> thinks
> >> >> >> of the even-handedness of international law, and though it remains
> >> >> >> true
> >> >> >> that men who commissioned or caused the killing of greater numbers
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> people (George Bush and Tony Blair for example(2)) have not been
> >> >> >> brought
> >> >> >> to justice and are unlikely to be, every prosecution of this kind
> >> >> >> makes
> >> >> >> the world a better place.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So attempts to downplay or dismiss this crime matter too,
> especially
> >> >> >> when they emerge from the unlikely setting of the internationalist
> >> >> >> left.
> >> >> >> I’m using this column to pursue a battle which might be hopeless
> and
> >> >> >> which many of you might regard as obscure. Perhaps I have become
> >> >> >> obsessed, but it seems to me to be necessary. Tacitly on trial
> >> >> >> beside
> >> >> >> Mladic in the Hague is a set of ideas: in my view the left’s most
> >> >> >> disturbing case of denial and doublethink since the widespread
> >> >> >> refusal
> >> >> >> to accept that Stalin had engineered a famine in the Ukraine.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I first raised this issue a year ago, whenI sharply criticised a
> >> >> >> book
> >> >> >> <http://www.monbiot.com/2011/06/13/naming-the-genocide-deniers/>
> by
> >> >> >> two
> >> >> >> luminaries of the left, Edward Herman and David Peterson. The
> >> >> >> Politics
> >> >> >> of Genocide seeks to downplay or dismiss both the massacre of
> >> >> >> Bosniaks
> >> >> >> at Srebrenica in 1995 and the genocide of Tutsis committed by Hutu
> >> >> >> militias in Rwanda in 1994(3). Their claims are extraordinary:
> that
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> cause of death of the “vast majority” of the Bosniaks at
> Srebrenica
> >> >> >> remains “undetermined”(4); that rather than 800,000 or more Tutsis
> >> >> >> being
> >> >> >> killed by Hutu militias in Rwanda, “the great majority of deaths
> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> Hutu, with some estimates as high as two million”(5), while
> members
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the Hutus’ Interahamwe militia were the “actual victims” of
> >> >> >> genocide(6).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What has changed since then is that the movement to which I
> thought
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> belonged has closed ranks: against attempts to challenge this
> >> >> >> revisionism, against the facts, in effect against the victims of
> >> >> >> these
> >> >> >> genocides. My attempts to pursue this question number among the
> most
> >> >> >> dispiriting experiences of my working life.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After I covered the issue last year, Herman and Peterson wrote a
> >> >> >> long
> >> >> >> denunciation on the Znet site(7). I believe in testing every
> >> >> >> proposition, so I set out to discover whether, as they insisted, I
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> wrong. I consulted four of the world’s leading genocide scholars:
> >> >> >> Martin
> >> >> >> Shaw, Adam Jones, Linda Melvern and Marko Attila Hoare. I asked
> them
> >> >> >> each to write a brief response to the claims the two men made on
> >> >> >> Znet.
> >> >> >> Their statements, which I have also posted on my website, are
> >> >> >> devastating(8,9,10,11). They accuse Herman and Peterson of
> >> >> >> obsfucating,
> >> >> >> distorting and misrepresenting the evidence, and of engaging in
> >> >> >> genocide
> >> >> >> denial.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For Edward Herman and David Peterson to be right, the entire canon
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> serious scholarship, human rights investigations, exhumations and
> >> >> >> witness statements would have to be wrong. Extraordinary claims
> >> >> >> require
> >> >> >> extraordinary evidence. But they offer little but the recycled
> >> >> >> claims
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> genocidaires and genocide deniers, mashed up with their own
> >> >> >> misrepresentations.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But this discovery did not disturb me as much as the responses of
> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> supporters. I wrote to Michael Albert, the publisher of Znet,
> asking
> >> >> >> whether he might publish Martin Shaw’s review of Herman and
> >> >> >> Peterson’s
> >> >> >> book (originally published in the the Journal of Genocide
> >> >> >> Research(12))
> >> >> >> as a counterweight to their article. He flatly refused, then went
> on
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> accuse me of a long list of heinous beliefs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I wrote to Noam Chomsky, a hero of mine, who provided the forward
> to
> >> >> >> Herman and Peterson’s book, asking whether he had read it and
> >> >> >> whether
> >> >> >> he
> >> >> >> accepted the accounts it contains of the Rwandan genocide and the
> >> >> >> massacre of Srebrenica. Watching that brilliant mind engage in
> >> >> >> high-handed dismissal and distraction has been profoundly
> >> >> >> depressing.
> >> >> >> While failing to answer my questions, he accused me of following
> the
> >> >> >> Washington script (I have posted our correspondence on my
> >> >> >> website(13)).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> John Pilger, who wrote a glowing endorsement of the book,
> >> >> >> volunteered
> >> >> >> this response: “Chef Monbiot is a curiously sad figure. All those
> >> >> >> years
> >> >> >> of noble green crusading now dashed by his Damascene conversion to
> >> >> >> nuclear power’s poisonous devastations and his demonstrable need
> for
> >> >> >> establishment recognition – a recognition which, ironically, he
> >> >> >> already
> >> >> >> enjoyed.”(14) The leftwing magazine Counterpunch cited my article
> as
> >> >> >> evidence that I am a member of the “thought police”, and that the
> >> >> >> role
> >> >> >> of the Guardian is “to limit the imaginative horizons of
> >> >> >> readers.”(15)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thus has this infectious idiocy spread though the political
> >> >> >> community
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> which I belong. The people I criticise here rightly contend that
> >> >> >> western
> >> >> >> governments and much of the western media ignore or excuse
> >> >> >> atrocities
> >> >> >> committed by the US and its allies, while magnifying those
> committed
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> forces deemed hostile. But they then appear to create a mirror
> image
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> this one-sided narrative, minimising the horrors committed by
> forces
> >> >> >> considered hostile to the US and its allies.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Perhaps this looks to you like the kind of esoteric infighting to
> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> the left too often succumbs, but this seems to me to be important:
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> important as any other human rights issue. If people who claim to
> >> >> >> care
> >> >> >> about justice and humanity cannot resist what looks to me like
> >> >> >> blatant
> >> >> >> genocide denial, we find ourselves in a very dark place.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Those of us who seek to judge a case on its merits, rather than
> >> >> >> according to the identity of the victims and perpetrators, have a
> >> >> >> duty
> >> >> >> to defend the memory of people being airbrushed by Herman,
> Peterson
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> their supporters. This does not make us apologists for western
> >> >> >> power,
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> establishment flunkies or thought police. It means only that we
> care
> >> >> >> about the facts.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> www.monbiot.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> References:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1. United Nations, 1948. Convention on the Prevention and
> Punishment
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the Crime of Genocide
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/genocide.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2. http://www.arrestblair.org/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 3. Edward S Herman and David Peterson, 2010. The Politics of
> >> >> >> Genocide.
> >> >> >> Monthly Review Press. New York.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 4.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://www.zcommunications.org/george-monbiot-and-the-guardian-on-genocide-denial-and-revisionism-by-edward-s-herman
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 5. The Politics of Genocide, page 54.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 6. The Politics of Genocide, page 58.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 7. Edward S. Herman and David Peterson, 4th September 2011. George
> >> >> >> Monbiot and the Guardian on “Genocide Denial” and “Revisionism”.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://www.zcommunications.org/george-monbiot-and-the-guardian-on-genocide-denial-and-revisionism-by-edward-s-herman
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 8.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/21/genocide-denial-expert-assessments/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> See also the following reviews of Herman and Peterson’s book:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 9. Martin Shaw, September 2011. Review of The Politics of
> Genocide.
> >> >> >> Journal of Genocide Research, Vol.13, no.3, pp353–387.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 10. Gerald Caplan, 17th June 2010. The politics of denialism: The
> >> >> >> strange case of Rwanda: Review of ‘The Politics of Genocide’.
> >> >> >> Pambazuka
> >> >> >> Issue 486. http://pambazuka.org/en/category/features/65265
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 11. Adam Jones, 16th November 2010. Denying Rwanda: : A Response
> to
> >> >> >> Herman & Peterson.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://jonestream.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/denying-rwanda-response-to-herman.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 12. Martin Shaw, September 2011. Review of The Politics of
> Genocide.
> >> >> >> Journal of Genocide Research, Vol.13, no.3, pp353–387.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 13. http://www.monbiot.com/2012/05/21/2181/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 14. John Pilger, quoted by David Edwards, 5th August 2011. A
> ‘Malign
> >> >> >> Intellectual Subculture’ – George Monbiot Smears Chomsky, Herman,
> >> >> >> Peterson, Pilger And Media Lens.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=637
> >> >> >> Also at:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://www.zcommunications.org/a-malign-intellectual-subculture-george-monbiot-smears-chomsky-herman-peterson-pilger-and-media-lens-by-dave-edwards
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 15. Jonathan Cook, 28th September 2011. A Thought Police for the
> >> >> >> Internet Age: the Dangerous Cult of the Guardian.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/28/the-dangerous-cult-of-the-guardian/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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*1.* Contribute to Journal Special on 'New Worker
Movements<http://www.interfacejournal.net/2011/06/call-for-papers-volume-4-issue-2-for-the-global-emancipation-of-labour-new-movements-and-struggles-around-work-workers-and-precarity/>
'!
*2. Blog:* http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman
*3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
   1990s* s <http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/>
http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
*4.* WorkingPaper *2012*: 'Emancipatory Labour
Studies'<http://www.iisg.nl/publications/respap49.pdf>
:
*5.* Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
(draft):
     http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
     http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
*6. *Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
Unions': <http://www.unionbook.org/profiles/blogs/peter-waterman-the-second-coming-of-the-wftu-updated>
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