[Debate] FW: The gentleperson's guide to forum spies
Mandi Smallhorne
mandiwrite at icon.co.za
Mon Jul 16 11:36:35 BST 2012
Pluralism BY DEFINITION means accepting thoughts you might not like or agree
with and trying to understand them. I grew up on consensus politics - true
democracy. You catch more bees with honey...
-----Original Message-----
From: debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org [mailto:debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org]
On Behalf Of Yoshie Furuhashi
Sent: 16 July 2012 12:20 PM
To: Debate is a listserve that attempts to promote information and analyses
of interest to the independent left in South and Southern Africa
Subject: Re: [Debate] FW: The gentleperson's guide to forum spies
It's so hard to accept pluralism if it means inclusion of criticism of
anticommunism and red-baiting.
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Henning Melber <henning.melber at dhf.uu.se>
wrote:
> Yoshie, can't you just once stop it?!
> It's so annoying that it makes it really difficult for me to resist the
temptation to quit the list. If you want to talk to you alone, then just
continue like that...
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> "IT IS WHEN WE ALL PLAY SAFE THAT WE CREATE A WORLD OF UTMOST INSECURITY."
> Dag Hammarskjöld
>
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
>> LINKS, where we all learned a lot about "Gaddafi's African mercenaries,"
right?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:09 AM, peter waterman
>> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mandi
>>>
>>> Perhaps Debate has something to learn from the admitedly Northern
>>> (if
>>> Southern) Links list. It seems to be pluralistic, to carry forceful
>>> debate (small d) and yet avoid that which you quite justly castigate.
>>>
>>> Pw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Mandi Smallhorne
>>> <mandiwrite at icon.co.za>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And I do come from a school of thought (primary school) that says
>>>> name calling is nasty and not productive of decent discussion - or
>>>> discussion that translates into action. If I may remind everyone:
>>>> Debate is a listserve that attempts to promote information and
>>>> analyses of interest to the independent left in South and Southern
>>>> Africa. That is the purpose of this list as I understand it. I am
>>>> of the INDEPENDENT left - nothing in that statement says that I or
>>>> any other debater needs to follow a party political line. I want to
>>>> hear debate, thought, analysis about a left future that is not
>>>> stultified by rigid ideology but that has a real hope of making
>>>> headway in the real world which is comprised, not purely of
>>>> 'keyboard activists'
>>>> in
>>>> comfortable global north academia, but desperately poor people,
>>>> workers, the middle class, and the full spectrum of human beings
>>>> morally, politically, economically active in this life. I have
>>>> respect for anyone who will contribute to the creation of a way
>>>> that works to really change the world.
>>>> In many, many of the people on debate, I see openness and
>>>> willingness to think beyond labels.
>>>> I am tired, tired, tired, of the dukes-up attack mode of 'debate'.
>>>> For pity's sake, how does this get us anywhere? Given the nightmare
>>>> of climate change rolling steadily towards us - a direct result of
>>>> the fundamentalist free-marketry that has reigned for so long - can
>>>> we please get over this petty ideological bitchery and talk about how
to get real, I beg?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org
>>>> [mailto:debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Yoshie Furuhashi
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2012 10:59 AM
>>>> To: Debate is a listserve that attempts to promote information and
>>>> analyses of interest to the independent left in South and Southern
>>>> Africa
>>>> Subject: Re: [Debate] FW: The gentleperson's guide to forum spies
>>>>
>>>> I don't come from a school of thought that says communists must
>>>> respect anticommunist red-baiters.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Mandi Smallhorne
>>>> <mandiwrite at icon.co.za>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Contempt for older people is, it seems to me, highly
>>>>> characteristic of a fundamental free market system which values
>>>>> people for what they can produce rather than who and what they are
>>>>> (for example, we were told, two years back when a 70 year old
>>>>> friend was killed by medical negligence in a private hospital here
>>>>> in Joburg, that it wasn't worth suing as he wasn't 'worth
>>>>> anything' since he was no longer a breadwinner). I long since
>>>>> learnt to respect and appreciate the experience and understanding
>>>>> of those older than me - they have often been able to contribute
>>>>> valuable elements to my own thinking. And crucial history: I love
>>>>> it when someone can show me that something's been
>>>> tried before and did or didn't work. R-e-s-p-e-c-t!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org
>>>>> [mailto:debate-list-bounces at fahamu.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of peter waterman
>>>>> Sent: 15 July 2012 08:48 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: Debate is a listserve that attempts to promote information and
>>>>> analyses of interest to the independent left in South and Southern
>>>>> Africa
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Debate] FW: The gentleperson's guide to forum spies
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Evasion, projection and...umm?...ageism?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pw
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Got to go now. Have to evaluate and/or edit a paper on
>>>>> unionism by some probably young person who is contributing to the
>>>>> development of a new conceptualisation of and strategy for
>>>>> unionism. Definitely more creative work than butting heads with
>>>>> someone whose ideology and mode of expression belong to the Left of
the Cold War or earlier.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
>>>>> <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know you are part of a tiny (and aging) minority on the Left?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM, peter waterman
>>>>> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yoshie's problem with almost everyone on the Left apart from
>>>>>> those who agree with Yoshie, strengthens my feeling that we
>>>>>> should surpass the concept of a Left that includes both of these
>>>>>> mutually-castigating parties with a concept of global social
>>>>>> emancipation. This would enable us to debate, discuss and
>>>>>> (preferably) dialogue about a not-yet constructed concept and force.
>>>>>> And Yoshie could tell us about the utopia - beyond capital,
>>>>>> state, racism, imperialism, patriarchy etc - to which her theory,
>>>>>> ideology, strategy is directed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
>>>>>> <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd rather see a good divorce happen: the Left would be better
>>>>>>> off if anti-anti-imperialists turned leftwing keyboard warriors
>>>>>>> like Pham Binh & Co. just went ahead and followed in the
>>>>>>> footsteps of Fred Halliday, Norman Geras, Christopher Hitchens,
>>>>>>> etc. That would be a win-win divorce. Those of us who think
>>>>>>> that NATO doesn't bring freedom or democracy and that veterans
>>>>>>> of the Afghan jihad and the like don't make good democratic
>>>>>>> revolutionaries don't have to constantly fight with those who
>>>>>>> do; and those who think that anti-imperialism is generally bad
>>>>>>> (except when a proposed war looks to be expensive) can get to
>>>>>>> make much more money than they are earning now by making the same
argument but to the right audience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM, David Everatt
>>>>>>> <David at everatt.co.za>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sound more like ground-rules for a good marriage....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14 Jul 2012, at 4:24 PM, "Mandi Smallhorne"
>>>>>>>> <mandiwrite at icon.co.za>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This comes from a website I have no info about, and seems to be
>>>>>>>> intended as advice for those facing attack from something more
>>>>>>>> serious than trolls, but I found some of these 'methods of
>>>>>>>> spreading disinformation' amusingly on point! See nos 4-9 and
>>>>>>>> 13,
>>>>>>>> 17 and 19, for example. Ways of discussing best avoided..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on
>>>>>>>> situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability
>>>>>>>> of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are
>>>>>>>> generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key
>>>>>>>> players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or
>>>>>>>> conspiracy to cover up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what
>>>>>>>> you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public
>>>>>>>> figure, news anchor, etc.
>>>>>>>> If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to
>>>>>>>> deal with the issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key
>>>>>>>> issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show
>>>>>>>> the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or
theme.
>>>>>>>> This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing
>>>>>>>> all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors
>>>>>>>> and wild accusations.
>>>>>>>> Other
>>>>>>>> derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well.
>>>>>>>> This method which works especially well with a silent press,
>>>>>>>> because the only way the public can learn of the facts are
>>>>>>>> through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the
>>>>>>>> material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild
>>>>>>>> rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no
basis in fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your
>>>>>>>> opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make
>>>>>>>> yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up
>>>>>>>> an issue you may safely imply exists based on your
>>>>>>>> interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or
>>>>>>>> select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their
>>>>>>>> significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk
>>>>>>>> all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually
>>>>>>>> avoiding discussion of the real issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is
>>>>>>>> also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though
>>>>>>>> other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate
>>>>>>>> opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing',
>>>>>>>> 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs',
>>>>>>>> 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual
>>>>>>>> deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support
>>>>>>>> out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing
>>>>>>>> with issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of
>>>>>>>> your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off
>>>>>>>> before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer.
>>>>>>>> This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor
>>>>>>>> environments where a steady stream of new identities can be
>>>>>>>> called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning --
>>>>>>>> simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing
>>>>>>>> issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that
>>>>>>>> would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be
>>>>>>>> taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden
>>>>>>>> personal agenda or other bias.
>>>>>>>> This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the
>>>>>>>> defensive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself
>>>>>>>> with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon'
>>>>>>>> and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply
>>>>>>>> say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating
>>>>>>>> concretely why or citing sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is
>>>>>>>> offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have
>>>>>>>> any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or
>>>>>>>> make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for
>>>>>>>> maximum effect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of
>>>>>>>> the straw man
>>>>>>>> -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility,
>>>>>>>> someone will make charges early on which can be or were already
>>>>>>>> easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should
>>>>>>>> the matter not be so easily
>>>>>>>> contained.)
>>>>>>>> Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man
>>>>>>>> issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial
>>>>>>>> contingency plans.
>>>>>>>> Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground
>>>>>>>> uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original
>>>>>>>> charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to
>>>>>>>> address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent
>>>>>>>> is or was involved with the original source.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor
>>>>>>>> matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess'
>>>>>>>> with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made
>>>>>>>> -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it
>>>>>>>> all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which,
>>>>>>>> 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf,
>>>>>>>> later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense'
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this
>>>>>>>> can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning
>>>>>>>> up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella
>>>>>>>> of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players
>>>>>>>> and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve.
>>>>>>>> This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to
>>>>>>>> lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual
issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues
>>>>>>>> by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic
>>>>>>>> which forbears any actual material fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring
>>>>>>>> opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which
>>>>>>>> works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires
>>>>>>>> creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency
>>>>>>>> conclusions in place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is
>>>>>>>> not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the
>>>>>>>> other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the
>>>>>>>> discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of
>>>>>>>> turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works
>>>>>>>> especially well with companions who can 'argue'
>>>>>>>> with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena
>>>>>>>> in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't
>>>>>>>> do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them
>>>>>>>> into emotional responses which will tend to make them look
>>>>>>>> foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their
>>>>>>>> material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid
>>>>>>>> discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their
>>>>>>>> emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid
>>>>>>>> the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to
criticism.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is
>>>>>>>> perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what
>>>>>>>> material may be presented by an opponent in public forums,
>>>>>>>> claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is
>>>>>>>> impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not
>>>>>>>> be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be
>>>>>>>> safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In
>>>>>>>> order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required
>>>>>>>> that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or
>>>>>>>> books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or
>>>>>>>> even deny that statements made by government or other authorities
have any meaning or relevance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or
>>>>>>>> clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent
>>>>>>>> presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues
>>>>>>>> or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was
>>>>>>>> designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts
>>>>>>>> cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered
>>>>>>>> investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and
>>>>>>>> effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open
>>>>>>>> discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are
>>>>>>>> required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if
>>>>>>>> you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury
>>>>>>>> hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and
>>>>>>>> unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable
>>>>>>>> verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially
>>>>>>>> closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty
>>>>>>>> innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to
frame a victim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s),
>>>>>>>> group(s), author(s),
>>>>>>>> leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new
>>>>>>>> ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or
>>>>>>>> testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must
>>>>>>>> actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to
>>>>>>>> be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent
>>>>>>>> unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials,
>>>>>>>> create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the
multitudes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail,
>>>>>>>> consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive
>>>>>>>> solution so that the need to address issues is removed
>>>>>>>> entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention,
>>>>>>>> blackmail or destruction of their character by release of
>>>>>>>> blackmail information, or merely by destroying them
>>>>>>>> financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise
>>>>>>>> overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot,
>>>>>>>> to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s- 1990s
>>>>>> shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
>>>>>> 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
>>>>>> 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
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