[Debate] "Is America Becoming a 'Socialist State'? 40 Percent Say Yes / Obama the Socialist? Not Even Close

[peter waterman]

Western Left-Baiting?

The possible confusion and contradictions existing amongst the Western left
in general can be due to ignorance, to the novelty and complexity of the
uprisings in the countries concerned.

I find it more comprehensible and have more sympathy with such confusion
than the certainty with which the well-informed local Communists and
distant Yoshie express themselves.

Doubt, ambiguity, self-reflection and self-criticism are non-existent in
their minds and mouths.

This reminds me of the Stalinist, then Maoist, then Pol-Potist, Senderista
and other Revolutionary (and for that matter, Nkrumah-ist) Truths and
Tracts of a fortunately-disappearing past.

Marx's favourite dictum is said to have been 'Doubt Everything', which, in
so far as Marx was also a thing, has to be also taken to mean 'Doubt me'.

This is not a note I have ever noticed in The Thoughts of Maximum Leader
Yoshie.

Pw






On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi <
critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shouldn't leftists be concerned about a case of double standard such
> as Syrian Communist complicity in the Baath hegemony = bad, but
> Western leftist complicity in the rise of Libyan anti-democrats backed
> by Western imperialists and Gulf Arab emirs and kings = good?  That is
> not even to mention that Western leftists were under no duress (except
> endless propaganda browbeating, mostly self-inflicted) to aid and abet
> the rise of LIbyan anti-democrats, while Syrian Communists must have
> been, given what those same Western leftists say about Baathists.
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM, peter waterman
> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yoshie:
> >
> > I think you forgot to ask when I stopped beating my wife.
> >
> > Pw
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You appear to be concerned about Syrian Communist complicity in the
> >> Baath hegemony, but you do not appear to be concerned about Western
> >> leftist complicity in the rise of anti-democrats in Libya thanks to
> >> the NATO and Gulf Arab dictators.  Why?  Are the Libyan anti-democrats
> >> in power now a prettier bunch than Syrian Baathists?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:42 AM, peter waterman
> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > With respect to (non) answers:
> >> >
> >> > I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
> >> >
> >> > Pw
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> What did you believe "the Anti-G movement" then and what do you
> >> >> believe it to be today? "Democratic," "undemocratic," or
> >> >> "anti-democratic"?  Is it not the case that anti-democrats -- some of
> >> >> whom are former G officials; others are longtime anti-G operatives
> >> >> backed by the CIA et al.; yet others are anti-G Islamists who are
> >> >> veterans of various jihads, e.g. in Afghanistan -- are today in power
> >> >> in Libya?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM, peter waterman
> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > So, I didn't call the the Anti-G movement 'democratic
> >> >> > revolutionaries'
> >> >> > then?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doesn't that make you guilty of a 'terminological inexactitude'
> then?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But maybe you just didn't take the time to go back to see what
> >> >> > language
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > might have used.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Unfortunately, and despite two complaints, Debate doesn't copy my
> >> >> > postings
> >> >> > back to me. So I am really dependent on you, Yoshie, as a seeker
> >> >> > after
> >> >> > Revolutionary Righteousness.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Pw.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You mean that you were openly supporting "undemocratic
> >> >> >> revolutionaries" or "anti-democratic revolutionaries" -- rather
> than
> >> >> >> honestly believing them to be "democratic revolutionaries" -- to
> >> >> >> effect a coup in Libya, then?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Please copy back to me my use of the phrase 'democratic
> >> >> >> > revolutionaries'. I
> >> >> >> > can't remember using it. But this is certainly due to advanced
> age
> >> >> >> > (I
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> > never see 75 again), plus red-baitingitis, terminal
> anti-statism,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > prejudice in favour of recognising more than two contradictions
> of
> >> >> >> > contemporary global capitalism.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am prepared to apologise for my useage on this very list.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > PeterW
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You'll be assured to know that your "democratic
> revolutionaries"
> >> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> engage in thorough censorship to erase the Gaddafi era, both
> >> >> >> >> positive
> >> >> >> >> and negative aspects of it, from history and textbooks:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/06/17/will-libya-erase-gaddafi-from-its-history.html
> >
> >> >> >> >> Will Libya Erase Gaddafi From Its History?
> >> >> >> >> Jun 18, 2012 1:00 AM EDT
> >> >> >> >> Jamie Dettmer
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> . . . . .
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Many people who benefited from Gaddafi’s rule have a vested
> >> >> >> >> interest
> >> >> >> >> in preventing too much history from seeing the light of day.
> They
> >> >> >> >> include members of the business and administrative elite and
> >> >> >> >> intelligence officials who continue to work even now for the
> new
> >> >> >> >> Libyan authorities. There are plenty of transitional government
> >> >> >> >> members who worked in the Gaddafi regime, and who may prefer
> that
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> past remain opaque—including the country’s interim leader
> Mustafa
> >> >> >> >> Abdel Jalil, who served as Gaddafi’s justice minister.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> . . . . .
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Nor are the country’s children getting much guidance. A
> so-called
> >> >> >> >> “glorification” law was introduced by the National Transitional
> >> >> >> >> Council, which makes it an offence punishable with up to life
> >> >> >> >> imprisonment to praise the Gaddafi regime or to say anything
> >> >> >> >> detrimental about the uprising. The law has had a chilling
> effect
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> the country’s schools. Since the resumption of classes in
> >> >> >> >> January,
> >> >> >> >> teachers say they have become wary of discussing the Gaddafi
> >> >> >> >> regime
> >> >> >> >> with their pupils. At some schools, history textbooks have had
> >> >> >> >> chapters on Gaddafi torn out. “We are meant to pretend as if 42
> >> >> >> >> years
> >> >> >> >> of Libyan history never happened,” says a 38-year-old teacher
> at
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> Tripoli school, who asked not to be named.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:40 AM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > You, Yoshie, and I ought to regret that we didn't start
> >> >> >> >> > 'Gaddafi-baiting' in
> >> >> >> >> > the 1970's when, copycatting the equally-megalomaniac Mao, he
> >> >> >> >> > produced
> >> >> >> >> > his
> >> >> >> >> > three-part 'Green Book'.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Unfortunately, I had previously glanced at Mao's Little Red
> >> >> >> >> > Book
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > seen
> >> >> >> >> > photos of hysterical blue-uniformed Chinese waving it as they
> >> >> >> >> > publicly
> >> >> >> >> > humiliated those who hadn't waved it hard enough, learnt it
> by
> >> >> >> >> > heart,
> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > chanted it loudly enough.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thus I merely dismissed the Gaddafi Inspiration unread. Here,
> >> >> >> >> > however,
> >> >> >> >> > is a
> >> >> >> >> > no-doubt bourgeois liberal summary, published in a bourgeois
> >> >> >> >> > liberal
> >> >> >> >> > source:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The Top 10 Quotes From Gaddafi’s Green Book:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/02/gaddafis-green-book-the-top-10-quotes.html
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 1. “Women, like men, are human beings. This is an
> incontestable
> >> >> >> >> > truth…
> >> >> >> >> > Women
> >> >> >> >> > are different from men in form because they are females, just
> >> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> >> > females
> >> >> >> >> > in the kingdom of plants and animals differ from the male of
> >> >> >> >> > their
> >> >> >> >> > species…
> >> >> >> >> > According to gynecologists women, unlike men, menstruate each
> >> >> >> >> > month…
> >> >> >> >> > Since
> >> >> >> >> > men cannot be impregnated they do not experience the ailments
> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> > women
> >> >> >> >> > do.
> >> >> >> >> > She breastfeeds for nearly two years.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 2. “There are inevitable cycles of social history: the yellow
> >> >> >> >> > race’s
> >> >> >> >> > domination of the world, when it came from Asia, and the
> white
> >> >> >> >> > race’s
> >> >> >> >> > attempts at colonizing extensive areas of all continents of
> the
> >> >> >> >> > world.
> >> >> >> >> > Now,
> >> >> >> >> > it is the turn of the black race to prevail in the world.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 3. “While it is democratically not permissible for an
> >> >> >> >> > individual
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > own
> >> >> >> >> > any
> >> >> >> >> > information or publishing medium, all individuals have a
> >> >> >> >> > natural
> >> >> >> >> > right
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > self-expression by any means, even if such means were insane
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > meant
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > prove a person’s insanity.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 4. “Mandatory education is a coercive education that
> suppresses
> >> >> >> >> > freedom.
> >> >> >> >> > To
> >> >> >> >> > impose specific teaching materials is a dictatorial act.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 5. “If a community of people wears white on a mournful
> occasion
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > another
> >> >> >> >> > dresses in black, then one community would like white and
> >> >> >> >> > dislike
> >> >> >> >> > black
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > the other would like black and dislike white. Moreover, this
> >> >> >> >> > attitude
> >> >> >> >> > leaves
> >> >> >> >> > a physical effect on the cells as well as on the genes in the
> >> >> >> >> > body.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 6. “Sporting clubs which constitute the traditional sports
> >> >> >> >> > institutions
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > the world today are rapacious social instruments. The
> >> >> >> >> > grandstands
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > public
> >> >> >> >> > athletic fields are actually constructed to obstruct access
> to
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > fields.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 7. “Placing a child in a day nursery is coercive and
> tyrannical
> >> >> >> >> > and a
> >> >> >> >> > violation of the child’s free and natural disposition.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 8. “Labour in return for wages is virtually the same as
> >> >> >> >> > enslaving
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > human
> >> >> >> >> > being. In a socialist society no person may own a private
> means
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > transportation for the purpose of renting to others, because
> >> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> > represents
> >> >> >> >> > controlling the needs of others.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 9. “The democratic system is a cohesive structure whose
> >> >> >> >> > foundation
> >> >> >> >> > stones
> >> >> >> >> > are firmly laid one above the other, the Basic People’s
> >> >> >> >> > Conferences,
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > People’s Conferences, and the People’s Committees, which
> >> >> >> >> > finally
> >> >> >> >> > come
> >> >> >> >> > together when the General People’s Conference convenes. There
> >> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> > absolutely
> >> >> >> >> > no conception of democratic society other than this.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 10. “No representation of the people—representation is a
> >> >> >> >> > falsehood.
> >> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> >> > mere
> >> >> >> >> > existence of parliaments underlies the absence of the people,
> >> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >> > democracy
> >> >> >> >> > can only exist with the presence of the people and not in the
> >> >> >> >> > presence
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > representatives of the people.”
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Seems to me that Gaddafi here baits - or at very least
> >> >> >> >> > ridicules -
> >> >> >> >> > himself.
> >> >> >> >> > Those who, by default, defend Gadaffi (or any other
> >> >> >> >> > 'Charismatic,
> >> >> >> >> > Anti-Imperialist, Socialist, Maximum Leader') should feel
> free
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > consult
> >> >> >> >> > the Approved Translation of the Original.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I find it difficult to believe that the above is not a
> >> >> >> >> > satirical
> >> >> >> >> > imperialist
> >> >> >> >> > distortion of the Thoughts of the 'Brotherly Leader and Guide
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > First
> >> >> >> >> > of September Great Revolution of the Socialist People's
> Libyan
> >> >> >> >> > Arab
> >> >> >> >> > Jamahiriya'. So here is the official version, for anyone
> >> >> >> >> > concerned
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > correct the above selection:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/athens/8744/readgb.htm
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > One wonders to what extent the obligatory learning of this
> text
> >> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> >> > generations of school-children either led to the uprising in
> >> >> >> >> > Libya
> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > its
> >> >> >> >> > brutalities.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Pw
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Gaddafi-baiting, as well as anticommunism, is a device to
> make
> >> >> >> >> >> impossible any intelligible discussion.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > I know I risk being as repetitive as Yoshie in say this,
> but
> >> >> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> >> > another
> >> >> >> >> >> > example of evasion, as with her non-reply to Doug's
> >> >> >> >> >> > question/suggestion
> >> >> >> >> >> > about her feelings concerning the Ghadafi regime.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Pw
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have about 40% of Americans who agree with you 100%.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> #DoomedCulture
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:44 PM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, Yoshie, I am not sure we have been informed by
> you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > positive
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > aspects of Soviet, Chinese, Yugoslav, Albanian,
> Peruvian
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Shining
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Path
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pol Pot Communism. Or even that of Kim Il Sung and Son.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I, and possibly others, may have received the strong
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > impression
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > identify with such Communisms. But possibly you are
> more
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > selective
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > identify only with some. And then on argued grounds. Or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > possibly
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > identify with one or more particular Communist or
> Marxist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > tendencies.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This has never been clear to me since your 'worldview'
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > appears
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > narrow,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > your priorities highly selective. They also appear
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > lacking
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > nuance
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > an
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > awareness of contradiction. By which I mean not just a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > single
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > contradiction
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > between an Evil Empire of Imperialism and a Virtuous
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Paradise
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (also
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > obscure
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to me but apparently consisting of some congeries of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Anti-Imperialist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > states
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and forces), but as in the nature of nature and
> society.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In so far as the Communist world and world Communism
> did
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > does
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > operate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > with either one or more of such Manichean oppositions,
> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > unable
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > recognise internal contradictions and therefore subject
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > collapse
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > case of states) and repeated fractions and splits (in
> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > case
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > parties).
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It has also tended to reproduce the heirarchy,
> dogmatism,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > leadership
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > cults,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > purges, of earlier churches and faiths (which is why
> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > collapse
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Orthodox Communism in the Soviet Union has led less to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mass
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > socialism
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > than
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Orthodox Christianity). And where Communism bent rather
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > than
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > broke,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > seems
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to have been transmogrified into another traditional
> but
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > increasingly
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > archaic and ineffective party form, that of Social
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Democracy.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > You may call this red-baiting. I would call it
> historical
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dialectical
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > criticism.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pw
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Reds" for anticommunists = anyone who doesn't agree
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 100%
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milos
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forman that "Communism" was nothing but what he says
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Convoluted and/or Jesuitical reasoning may conceal
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > which
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reds I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 'bait'
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > what I do the other 99% of my time.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Which: those who identify uncritically with state
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > socialism,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > whether
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Communist, Social-Democratic or Populist kind.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What I do the rest of my time: try, along with a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > widening
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > range
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Occupy,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Common-ers, Feminists, Ecologists, Indignados,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Anti-racist,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Anarchist,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autonomist, Indigenous, labour and rural movements,
> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > develop
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > global
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > social movement that recognises and surpasses
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > capitalism,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > state-ist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > socialisms and imperialisms of all kinds.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Pw
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> An inconvenient truth: 99% of people who agree 100%
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milos
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forman
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on "Communism" are also 100% opposed to "Western
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> European-style
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialism."  So, red-baiting doesn't help the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> remaining
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1%
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> anticommunists like Milos Forman or Peter Waterman.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM, peter waterman
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <peterwaterman1936 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I do not agree with the politics of Milos Forman
> as
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > expressed
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > below.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Indeed,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I strongly disagree with them. But I respect him
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > movies
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mentioned.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And I recognise and validate his experience in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Communist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Czechoslovakia.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yoshie neither recognises nor even mentions this,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > so
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > anxious
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > she
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > cast
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > him as an apologist for Loony Bin America. One
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > problem
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Loony
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bin
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > America is that its dogmatism,
> self-righteousness,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > narrowness
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > indeed,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fanaticism, is not confined to the ruling elite
> or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Right.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > In Peru (of which I have some experience) things
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > are
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leftists
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > various kinds, including feminists, recognise and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > even
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > celebrate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > writer
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mario Vargas Llosa, whose books are pirated, sold
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > street,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > read by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > many literate Peruvians, regardless of class or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ethnicity.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > They
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > condemn
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > his
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > politics and his pathetic/comic failure to win
> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > presidental
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > elections
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > against the rightwing populist, Fujimori.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Like Vargas Llosa, Forman is a distinctly better,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > more
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > interesting,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > artist than he is a politician.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > We must thank the Godess that Yoshie is not, and
> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > never
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > going
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > be,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Minister of Culture and/or the Cultural Gauleiter
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > State-Socialist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > America. For then Milos Forman would suffer the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > those
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > he
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mentions in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > his awful story of state-socialist
> Czechoslovakia.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > PeterW
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milos Forman doesn't realize that the Cuckoo’s
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nest
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> now,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not out there or in the past, and that he is
> also
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> keep everyone in the loony bin.
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> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0713/Is-America-becoming-a-socialist-state-40-percent-say-yes
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is America becoming a 'socialist state'? 40
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> percent
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> say
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> yes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The perception that America is turning more
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fringe view, according to a Monitor/TIPP poll.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Debate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> over
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> size
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> government could influence November elections.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By Mark Trumbull, Staff writer / July 13, 2012
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Two of every five Americans today say their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> country
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> evolving
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialist state.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That finding, contained in a new nationwide
> poll,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> highlights a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> central
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> debate in the 2012 election campaign and a major
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> challenge
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> President Obama.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The "socialist state" survey is just one many
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> indicators
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Americans are worried that the federal
> government
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> growing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> too
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> large
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> – a feeling that works against Mr. Obama's
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> reelection
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hopes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you more liberal than President Obama? Take
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> our
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> quiz!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a Christian Science Monitor/Investor's
> Business
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Daily/TIPP
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> poll
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> completed last week, 40 percent of respondents
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> generally
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> agreed
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the statement: "The US is evolving into a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> state."
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> outnumbered the 36 percent who disagreed. About
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> one-quarter
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> respondents expressed a neutral view or said
> they
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> unsure.
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/opinion/obama-the-socialist-not-even-close.html
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> July 10, 2012
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama the Socialist? Not Even Close
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> By MILOS FORMAN
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Warren, Conn.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHEN I was asked to direct “One Flew Over the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cuckoo’s
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nest,”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> friends warned me not to go anywhere near it.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The story is so American, they argued, that I,
> an
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> immigrant
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fresh
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> off
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the boat, could not do it justice. They were
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> surprised
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> explained why I wanted to make the film. To me
> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> literature but real life, the life I lived in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Czechoslovakia
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> birth in 1932 until 1968. The Communist Party
> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nurse
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ratched,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> telling me what I could and could not do; what I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> allowed to say; where I was and was not allowed
> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> go;
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> who I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and was not.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now, years later, I hear the word “socialist”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> being
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tossed
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> around
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the likes of Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Santorum,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sean
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hannity,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rush Limbaugh and others. President Obama, they
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> warn,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialist.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The critics cry, “Obamacare is socialism!” They
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> falsely
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> equate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Western
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> European-style socialism, and its government
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> provision
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> social
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> insurance and health care, with Marxist-Leninist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> totalitarianism.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> offends me, and cheapens the experience of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> millions
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lived,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> continue to live, under brutal forms of
> socialism.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My sister-in-law’s father, Jan Kunasek, lived in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Czechoslovakia
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his life. He was a middle-class man who ran a
> tiny
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> inn
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tiny
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> village. One winter night in 1972, during a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> blizzard,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> man,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> soaked
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the bone, awakened him at 2 in the morning. The
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> man
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> looked
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> destitute
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and, while asking for shelter, couldn’t stop
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> cursing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Communists.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Taking pity, the elderly Mr. Kunasek put him up
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> night.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A couple of hours later, Mr. Kunasek was
> awakened
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> again,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> three plainclothes policemen. He was arrested,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> accused
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> sheltering
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> terrorist and sentenced to several years of hard
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> labor
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> uranium
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mines. The state seized his property. When he
> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> finally
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> released,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ill and penniless, he died within a few weeks.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Years
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> later
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> learned
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that the night visitor had been working for the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> police.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> According
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the Communists, Mr. Kunasek was a class enemy
> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> deserved
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> punished.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I found myself in an equally absurd, but less
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> depressing,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> situation
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when I was moonlighting on Czech TV as a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> moderator,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> introducing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> movies, in the early ’50s. It was live, so there
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> chance
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bleep politically undesirable words. Every
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> utterance,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> supposedly spontaneous interviews, had to be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> scripted,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> approved
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> censors, learned by heart and repeated verbatim
> on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> air.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When I was preparing to interview one Comrade
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Homola,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> powerful
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Communist, I sent him questions, but didn’t
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> receive
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> answers.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> boss, also a powerful party member, told me: “He
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lazy!
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Write
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> answers for him, and remind him to learn them by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> heart.”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> did.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Comrade Homola arrived at the last moment. When
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> red
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> light
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> went
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and I asked the first question, he reached into
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pocket,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> took
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my answers and started to read them, awkwardly
> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> obediently
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> including my inadvertent grammatical mistakes.
> And
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thus,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> consternation, went the whole interview. In the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> control
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> booth,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> boss
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hit the roof. I was fired the next day for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ridiculing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> representative
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of the state.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Whatever his faults, I don’t see much of a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialist
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thankfully, signs of that system in this great
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> nation.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Obama
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> accused of trying to expand the reach of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> government —
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> health
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> care, financial regulation, the auto industry
> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It’s
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fair
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> question whether the federal government should
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> expanded
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> powers:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> America, to its credit, has debated this since
> its
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> birth.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> let’s
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> clear about how frightening socialism actually
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> could
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marx believed that we could wipe out social
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> inequities
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lenin
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tested those ideas on the Soviet Union. It was
> his
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dream
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> create a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> classless society. But reality set in, as it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> always
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> does.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> results were devastating. Blood flowed through
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Russia’s
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> streets.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Soviet elite usurped all privileges; sycophants
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> allowed
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the plebes none. The entire Eastern bloc,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> including
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Czechoslovakia,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> followed miserably.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I’m not sure Americans today appreciate quite
> how
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> predatory
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> socialism
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was. It was not — as Mr. Obama’s detractors
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> suggest —
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> merely a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> government so centralized and bloated that it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hobbled
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> private
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> enterprise: it was a spoils system that killed
> off
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> everything,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the name of “social justice.”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What we need is not to strive for a perfect
> social
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> justice
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> —
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> never existed and never will — but for social
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> harmony.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Harmony
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> music is, by its nature, exhilarating and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> soothing.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> orchestra,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the different players and instruments perform
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> together,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> an overall melody.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Today, our democracy, a miraculous gathering of
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> diverse
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> players,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> desperately needs such unity. If all
> participants
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> play
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fair
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> strive
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for the common good, we can achieve a harmony
> that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> eluded
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> doctrinaire socialist projects. But if just one
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> section,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> player, is out of tune, the music will
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> disintegrate
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> cacophony.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not asking Mr. Obama and the Republican
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> leaders
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> stop
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> playing
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> instruments of their choosing. All I am asking
> is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> every
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> player
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> keep in mind the noble melody of our country.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Otherwise
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> noisy
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dissonance might become loud enough to wake
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> another
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marx,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> worse.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Milos Forman won Academy Awards for best
> director
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> films
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> “One
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” and “Amadeus.”
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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> >> >> >> >> >> > 1990s shttp://
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> >> >> >> >> >> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> >> >> >> >> >> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays
> >> >> >> >> >> > 2000-10'
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> >> >> >> >> >> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of
> >> >> >> >> >> > Trade
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> >> >> >> >> > 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
> >> >> >> >> > 1990s shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
> >> >> >> >> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> >> >> >> >> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays
> >> >> >> >> > 2000-10'
> >> >> >> >> > (draft):
> >> >> >> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
> >> >> >> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
> >> >> >> >> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of
> Trade
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> >> >> >> > 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
> >> >> >> > 1990s shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
> >> >> >> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> >> >> >> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays
> >> >> >> > 2000-10'
> >> >> >> > (draft):
> >> >> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
> >> >> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
> >> >> >> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
> >> >> >> > Unions':
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> >> >> > 2. Blog: http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman
> >> >> > 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
> >> >> > 1990s shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
> >> >> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> >> >> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
> >> >> > (draft):
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> >> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
> >> >> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
> >> >> > Unions':
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> http://lists.fahamu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debate-list
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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> >> > 2. Blog: http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman
> >> > 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
> >> > 1990s shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
> >> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> >> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
> >> > (draft):
> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
> >> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
> >> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
> >> > Unions':
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > Debate-list mailing list
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> >> >
> >>
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> >> --
> >> Yoshie Furuhashi
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://lists.fahamu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debate-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 1. Contribute to Journal Special on 'New Worker Movements'!
> > 2. Blog: http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman
> > 3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
> > 1990s shttp://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
> > 4. WorkingPaper 2012: 'Emancipatory Labour Studies':
> > 5. Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
> (draft):
> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
> >      http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
> > 6. Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
> Unions':
> >
> >
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> > http://lists.fahamu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debate-list
> >
>
>
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*1.* Contribute to Journal Special on 'New Worker
Movements<http://www.interfacejournal.net/2011/06/call-for-papers-volume-4-issue-2-for-the-global-emancipation-of-labour-new-movements-and-struggles-around-work-workers-and-precarity/>
'!
*2. Blog:* http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman
*3. EBook 2011, 'Under, Against, Beyond - Essays 1980s-
   1990s* s <http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/>
http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/under-against-beyond/
*4.* WorkingPaper *2012*: 'Emancipatory Labour
Studies'<http://www.iisg.nl/publications/respap49.pdf>
:
*5.* Draft EBook 2012: 'Recovering Internationalism - Essays 2000-10'
(draft):
     http://www.scribd.com/doc/82125289/ReCovIntComp-A-2
     http://www.scribd.com/doc/82129474/ReCovtIntComp-B-2
*6. *Essay 2012: 'The 2nd Coming of the World Federation of Trade
Unions': <http://www.unionbook.org/profiles/blogs/peter-waterman-the-second-coming-of-the-wftu-updated>
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