[Debate] Battles Grip Tripoli, Coastal Cities

[Yoshie Furuhashi]

That's not what has been reported in the media.  See, for instance,
"Gaddafi 'Will Step Aside' In Election Offer," June 16, 2011:
<http://news.sky.com/home/article/16013236>.  The regime was more
interested in negotiation than the rebels and the NATO, for an obvious
reason: the NATO is stronger than the regime.  For the same reason,
the NATO and the rebels have rejected repeated offers like above from
the regime, because they thought and still think they can win just by
force.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Devan Pillay <Devan.Pillay at wits.ac.za> wrote:
> Because the Great Leader was and probably still is not interested in negotiation (like Hitler or any other meglomaniac who feels they have the divine right to rule).
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoshie Furuhashi [mailto:critical.montages at gmail.com]
> Sent: Fri 26/08/2011 23:24
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> Subject: Re: [Debate] Battles Grip Tripoli, Coastal Cities
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> Why do you think that a ceasefire and mediated negotiations for
> democratic transitions would have resulted in the status quo ante?
> Why do you think that the rebels could not have won, putting Gaddafi
> into retirement, via that route?
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Devan Pillay <Devan.Pillay at wits.ac.za> wrote:
>> In other words - the status quo (ante) - as I've said before.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Yoshie Furuhashi [mailto:critical.montages at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Fri 26/08/2011 23:17
>> To: Debate is a listserve that attempts to promote information and analyses ofinterest to the independent left in South and Southern Africa
>> Subject: Re: [Debate] Battles Grip Tripoli, Coastal Cities
>>
>> No, that's not what I have been saying.  It's clear that the rebels do
>> have a considerable base of support in Benghazi at least and probably
>> also in the rest of eastern Libya.  You can see that in their videos
>> of mass rallies and so on.  It's in the rest of the country where they
>> have little support, which leads to the kind of behavior reported on
>> by the media, because they are trying to impose their will by force.
>> Ditto for the regime.  The regime may not have been unpopular in all
>> of Libya, but it was certainly unpopular in Benghazi and in a lot of
>> other places in the east, which led to the uprising and bloody
>> repression by the regime.  In a situation like this, the correct
>> position is one put forward by the AU, Latin American socialists,
>> etc., backed by Russia and China: ceasefire and mediated negotiations
>> for democratic transition.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me ask you: do you feel like visiting Libya now and joining the
>>>> rebels to celebrate their "victory"?
>>>
>>> Of course not. It seems like rather a hellhole now. Really, what you're saying is, Libya should have stuck with Q because it'd be more stable. But the battle against Q arose amidst all the other agitation in the neighborhood. There seems to be some popular cheer that he's probably done.
>>>
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