[DEBATE] : US Officials: Torture Confessions Not Proven Useful
gus.gosling at gmail.com
Wed Apr 1 09:34:03 BST 2009
So torture can never exist in a communist state? Slightly counterfactual
statement there Dom.
2009/4/1 Dominic Tweedie <dominic.tweedie at gmail.com>
> The purpose of torture is to humiliate. That is all.
> Torture is not supposed to be secret. It is supposed to be known.
> It is supposed to humilate the immediate victim and everybody else by
> Torture is only the necessarily, demonstrably exposed extremity of the
> general humiliation necessary for class rule and for class subordination.
> As such, torture is indispensable to capitalism. It will be with us until
> the bourgeoisie is overthrown.
> When liberals tell you that you can have bourgeois democracy without
> torture, they lie.
> Domza, VC
> 2009/4/1 Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com>
> > But for the sake of God, there goes God?
> > I am not sure, but I do no know one thing, that American Exceptionalism
> > (that they did not have to sign international conventions because they
> > a great system - the best in the world?!) is not what it used to be,
> > is 'manifest destiny'... perhaps it is time they considered that torture
> > in fact a bad thing, again... and adopt some modicum of civilised
> > behaviour... but what do we get? we get Blackwater's Eric Prince funding
> > hour"s on TV and the Brits "Spooks" indirectly showing people how
> > it is to torture people to save "our way of life" which coincidently
> > hate" leading to trivial "why do they hate us" media psychology instead
> > reporting...I guess this is the same system that convinced American's to
> > rubbish American cars for so long...
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