[DEBATE] : Israeli Bestseller Breaks National Taboo

Dominic Tweedie dominic.tweedie at gmail.com
Fri Oct 17 13:53:36 BST 2008


In other words, Ran, you are saying that Zionism that part and parcel of
European nationalism and European colonialism.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Domza, VC

2008/10/17 Ran Greenstein <rangreen at sn.apc.org>

> It does not seem as if Cook actually read the book or is at all familiar
> with the topic. The story
> of the Khazars and their conversion to Judaism was a staple of Jewish
> history for centuries
> (regardless of its historical accuracy - it has large degree of mythical
> elements in it), and the
> notion that Jews are an ethnic-national group, rather than merely a
> religion, goes back to the
> early 19th century, almost a century before the rise of Zionism, as Sand
> argues in the book.
> Its origins go much further back in time though. Of course, few of the
> present-day national
> groups in eastern-central Europe (the area where Zionism emerged) regarded
> themselves
> as such two centuries ago. So Jews have re-invented (or imagined)
> themselves in the 19th
> century in various new ways, as have most other ethnic-national groups in
> Europe during the
> same period. There is nothing peculiar or sinister about it.
>
>
> On 17 Oct 2008 at 4:44, tony roshan samara wrote:
>
> Date sent:      Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > Israeli Bestseller Breaks
> > National Taboo
> >
> > Dr Shlomo argues that the idea of a Jewish nation is a myth
> > invented little more than a century ago.
> >
> > By Jonathan Cook
> >
> >
> >
> > 15/10/08 "Information Clearinghouse"
> > - - TEL AVIV - No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his
> > latest
> > academic work has spent 19 weeks on Israel´s bestseller list - and
> > that success
> > has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
> > Israel´s biggest
> > taboo.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr Shlomo Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation - whose need
> > for a safe
> > haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of
> > Israel - is a
> > myth invented little more than a century ago.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ran Greenstein
> Johannesburg, South Africa
>
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