[DEBATE] : Fwd: In Defense of Zimbabwe

[peter waterman]

Doug:

I fear that Yoshie, with her 'mores' and 'lesses', her 'betters' and 
'worses' is herself 'better' at mechanics than dialectics.

Here she adds up 'anti-imperialists' (this quality clearly being 'better' 
than any others they might or might not possess) and finds her pile larger 
or 'better' than that of the Doug Henwoods in NYC or at WBAI.

I am reminded of Stalin on Catholicism, with his dismissive 'how many 
divisions has the pope?' As we know, Stalin had more divisions, but his 
Soviet Union?...It went thataway...

It is one of those many ironies of history, of which Isaac Deutscher wrote, 
that this (pre?) mediaeval church has outlasted a modernist, rationalist, 
ideology and state - one that in its thought, structure and behaviour 
reproduced so much of that church which Stalin castigated.

Anti-imperialism, dear Yoshie, like anti-capitalism, is simply not enough. 
Nowadays people and peoples demand more: liberty, equality, solidarity, 
peace, environmental justice, tolerance, Bread and roses too.

The pecadilos of corrupt, authoritarian, demagogic and militaristic leaders? 
History will not absolve them.

Peter W.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Henwood" <dhenwood at panix.com>
To: "debate: SA discussion list " <debate at debate.kabissa.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Fwd: In Defense of Zimbabwe


>
> On May 23, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>> All in all, though, Hugo Chavez, simple of heart, has more in common*
>> with olde-fashioned Third-Worldists at WBAI than with Doug Henwood
>> when it comes to international relations.  And, in the end, it is
>> better, and safer, to err on Zimbabwe than on the empire.  Thinking
>> better of Robert Mugabe than he deserves won't get Chavez killed or
>> the Bolivarian process crushed, but thinking better of the empire than
>> it actually is very well can.
>
> I'm reminded why I stopped reading you. Back to that.
>
> Doug
>


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