[DEBATE] : (Fwd) Pretoria v the Burmese people (cont.)

[peter waterman]

Yoshie:

You stand, whether you intend this or not, as a representative of the 
Marxist or socialist Monthly Review.

Could you possibly therefore surpass the level of cheap moralising, cast in 
terms, below, of right and wrong, self-interest and empireEmpire?

Please? Out of respect for what MR has long represented?

Or at least remind us of what the Beijing Consensus was? I have made the 
possibly irresponsible assumption that a Consensus issued by in the capital 
of an autocratic regime, repressing workers, women, peasants, ethnic 
minorities, and reproducing the environmental despoliation of the 'Empire' 
has just got to be somewhat limited in the human rights, worker rights, 
women's rights, ecological, anti-militarist and other departments.

Feel free to convince me that it was 'good'.

Pw


Pw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" <critical.montages at gmail.com>
To: "debate: SA discussion list" <debate at debate.kabissa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : (Fwd) Pretoria v the Burmese people (cont.)


> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Patrick Bond <pbond at mail.ngo.za> wrote:
>> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>>
>> > On this the "sub-imperialist" ANC is right and left-leftist critics of
>> > the "ANCorupption," wrong.
>>
>> No, the ANC agreed to this very principle in the formation of the OAU.
>> Mbeki is just being opportunistic, as usual. I suspect he got a call from
>> Beijing to help their buddies in Rangoon, and that there's some other 
>> payoff
>> for SA.
>
> I prefer the Beijing Consensus to the Washington Consensus, and so
> would all Latin socialists who are in power but under threat from
> local oligarchies backed by the empire and to whom, as well as others
> in the South, the same principle of foreign powers' "right to protect"
> by force in the event of natural disaster can very well be applied .
>
> Really, it would be better if principles moved SA to vote right, but,
> failing that, voting right based on self interest is better than
> voting wrong out of deference to the Euro-American center of the
> empire.
> -- 
> Yoshie
> <http://montages.blogspot.com/>
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