[DEBATE] : Naming may be hailing

[peter waterman]

Dominic:

FYI, the term 'global justice and solidarity movement' originates, as far as 
I am aware with the social movement assembly, at the Porto Alegre WSF 2002.

As you and Yoshie certainly know, a whole series of names have been promoted 
by or applied to this movement, some of them rather pathetic, others quite 
rude.

Me, I promote and apply the GJ&SM since I find it the most appropriate at 
this moment. I also appreciate its originating with the movement.

I don't know what you or Yoshie might wish to call it, since you may 
consider there is no 'it' to be called something.

Marx, of course, referred to the working class movement of his time - which 
was also hardly in existence in 1843-4 -  'the real movement that transforms 
the present nature of things'. I think that today this real movement is the 
GJ&SM, and I am quite prepared to recognise that by naming it one is also 
hailing it. In other words, like Marx, I am trying to give a name to 
something that I consider possible and necessary.

I also note that various people trying to breath life into the traditional 
labour movement, or to turn the existing trade union organisations forward 
into a new kind of social movement, are talking of 'social justice 
unionism', or 'social movement unionism' (woops, that is originally mine 
from the later-1980s).

I myself believe that an explicit articulation of the labour with the 
general GJ&SM would be in the interest of both.

Feel free to comment.

Peter W.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominic Tweedie" <dominic.tweedie at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : No G8! action, schedule of events (anarchos and 
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> Actually, there is no Western word for "global justice movement",
> either, not even in the Ancient Greek.
>
> I don't see what your problem is, unless it's an inordinate terror of
> being called "quaint", something you seem to share with Waterperson.
>
> And why? Quaint! Quaint! Quaint! See, nothing to worry about.
>
>
>
>
> 2008/6/16 Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Dominic Tweedie
>> <dominic.tweedie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Your own dichotomy of "capitalists versus leftists" is just as Western
>>> as can be. Screwing yourself up into an purgatory of Gnostic
>>> political-culture resistance will only make it more so.
>>>
>>> "Bourgeois and Proletarians" is the name of the game, and has been
>
>
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