[DEBATE] : Attacks on foreigners organised, Graeme Hosken, Cape Times
hola at absamail.co.za
Sat Feb 23 21:51:08 GMT 2008
Is this an inquisition or intimidation?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dominic Tweedie" <dominic.tweedie at gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Attacks on foreigners organised, Graeme Hosken,Cape
> O.k., Hanif, you're on, but I'll leave out stuff you can correct from the
> previous messages on this thread, just to save my time.
You can delete all the details/references about myself- not venerable for
this debate; stick to issues.
> I didn't know your son was in the Jhb CPF, but I'm glad to know it now. I
> would like to know all the names of the members of the CPF that
> with the Central Methodist Church raid. The fellow in our meeting who said
> he was on the raid of the Central Methodist Church was not your son,
> I am very much mistaken. So now that's two of them I know about.
Is it a crime to serve on the CPF?
Anyway, my son was not there (I doubt if he is still a member). I do not
serve on any CPF's.
You should get your answers from the SAPS or the Jhb CPF- I don't know them.
> Congratulations on being descended from Adam Kok. Very few people know
> Adam Kok at all but I do, and I think of him with respect. I hope you are
> not bullshitting me. But anyway, so what?
No b...! I have family by surname of Sissings in Dbn- family records gone
My paternal grandmum was Kok's neice.
Correct, so what? no big deal about it!
> Maybe you think you could never be mistaken for an immigrant? I'm telling
> you that you are playing with fire with your anti-immigrant,
> xenophobic ranting. If the atmosphere gets worse, you could be the one on
> the receiving end, just as others who unlike you are very dark in
> complexion, and not Moslems, but who are just as South African as you are,
> do get picked up by police from time to time on suspicion of being illegal
> aliens or whatever the jargon is these days. Wise up, guy! This xenophobia
> thing is not good for you.
Do you have to bring in the Moslem angle?
I merely regurgitated what locals had been talking/noting.
Yes, I should have qualified the input.
Is every local at each street corner or township also going to be attacked?
Why should the topic not be discussed and issues looked at for resolution?
Whoever suggested that should retract- that was not civil.
> You are not being attacked by me. It was not I who suggested you should
> be welcome here. I have never suggested you should be ostracised in any
> or in any place or organisation. So please don't waste our time by diving
> the box and trying to play the victim, after you've been slashing away at
> people for no reason except that you think you can get away with it.
As much as the comments were personal and insulting, I reacted.
Since the box is your 'terrirory', I will not 'dive in' again; it's a waste
of my time also.
> Firstly, I have not served on the said CP nor was I with the raid.
> Secondly, I do not live in Laudium, not even near Lenasia, and it's not
> first SACP meeting I have pitched up at, being a member for the past few
> Your personal attack on me reeks of inherent reverse-racism, which is sad.
> You telling comrades that I 'appear to be black... not African in
> particular' is a very strong message with serious ramifications; just as
> xenophobic as the charges against locals.
> Finally, the Moslem free-sheet paper you refer to is a figment again
> stereotyping me- Indian, Moslem, not African, not a comrade! Any different
> from Bush's 'war on terror'?
> Pity that a challenging debate can be reduced to such unprofessional,
> personal levels without substance, but merely to spew innate racism or
> assert one's superiority.
> Hanif Manjoo
> On 23/02/2008, hanif manjoo <hola at absamail.co.za> wrote:
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