[DEBATE] : Attacks on foreigners organised, Graeme Hosken, Cape Times
hola at absamail.co.za
Sat Feb 23 18:37:51 GMT 2008
Domza, Good try!
Firstly, I have not served on the said CPF; it's my son.
Secondly, I do not live in Laudium, not even near Lenasia, and it's not the
first SACP meeting I have pitched up at, being a member for the past few
Thirdly, my family roots trace back to Adam Kok, and I have African blacks
in my family circle.
Now, for the lesser credits (if I may refer to them):
* I not only grew up under Chielf Luthuli, drove him as a kid, and was the
one who informed the world the day he was brought into Stanger (KwaDuguza)
Hospital after being knocked down by a train- I never sought publicity for
my role herein!
* I led the agitation for African blacks to be given trading rights (like
Indians) during the early '80's
* I called for African children to be admitted to Indian schools during the
* I have always been a BCM activist
* I am a former SACCAWU Shop Steward at Makro (under Duma Nkosi, then
national chairman), Amalgam (circa 1992), being the the first ever (and the
last) Dept. Manager to be elected as such.
Your personal attack on me reeks of inherent reverse-racism, which is sad.
You telling comrades that I 'appear to be black... not African in
particular' is a very strong message with serious ramifications; just as
xenophobic as the charges against locals. Besides, there is much more to my
credentials which I have never ever plugged to get onto any gravy train!
Finally, the Moslem free-sheet paper you refer to is a figment again
stereotyping me- Indian, Moslem, not African, not a comrade! Any different
from Bush's 'war on terror'?
Pity that a challenging debate can be reduced to such unprofessional,
personal levels without substance, but merely to spew innate racism or
assert one's superiority.
Are you telling me that Moslems (Indians) are not welcome on this forum or
in the SACP? Comrade Chris Hani will be turning in his grave!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Grinker" <grinker at mweb.co.za>
To: "'debate: SA discussion list '" <debate at debate.kabissa.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [DEBATE] : Attacks on foreigners organised, Graeme Hosken,Cape
> Well I wouldn't necessarily argue that the anti-racist/no immigration
> controls arguments were either easy to make or won in the UK. As with
> struggles for equal rights, 'anti-racism' was coopted by official
> agencies and quangos, but fortress Britain/Europe remains more impermeable
> to foreigners than ever.
> What seems fairly obvious is that this is an issue that needs to be put
> centre-stage because, among other things: foreigners must be defended,
> because it's fundamental to building an independent class outlook, but
> because it seems that a new style xenophobic populism may have already
> off. The problem of xenophobia is not something new and obviously springs
> from pre-existing parochialism. I recall needing to put up a fight years
> in Eats London over harassment of immigrant hawker son the street by other
> hawkers who as it turned out, were employed by some white guy. He had
> encouraged them to get stuck into his foreign competitors. A local ANC
> activist spontaneously took up the defence of the foreign hawker son the
> street and this had positive results. One wonders how many current
> representatives are doing this? Afree
> -----Original Message-----
> From: debate-bounces at debate.kabissa.org
> [mailto:debate-bounces at debate.kabissa.org] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie
> Sent: 23 February 2008 11:21 AM
> To: debate: SA discussion list
> Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Attacks on foreigners organised, Graeme Hosken,
> All true, Russell.
> But get this. I know Hanif Manjoo. He pitched up at our last SACP Jhb
> Central branch meeting, and that's not the first time I've met him. Of
> course he was not wearing an "I am a racist bastard" T-shirt or cap.
> Hanif is a friendly guy with a bee in his bonnet about the
> horse-racing "industry", and some connection with a Johannesburg
> Moslem free-sheet knock-and-drop newspaper whose name I forget.
> During the meeting, we had a discussion about the xenophobic police
> raid on the Central Methodist Church. I don't remember what Hanif had
> to say about it, if anything, but another well-known comrade jumped up
> and shouted that he had been a member of the Jhb Community-Police
> Forum since 1999, and was proud to tell us that, as such, he had
> personally taken part in the raid on the Central Methodist Church! And
> then spewed out a whole lot of generalised allegations against
> Zimbabweans, of course.
> I'm happy to report that our branch did not support this CPF comrade's
> attitude or actions. But there is a big problem here.
> People like you and I who have rehearsed anti-racism for many years in
> Britain can't just assume that all people in SA will respond to the
> same kind of stimuli in the way that we do. Some do, but too many do
> For the record, Hanif appears to be a black in general but not an
> African in particular. Ideas of people living in glass houses,
> throwing stones, spring to mind.
> The "clean-up" &c is already obviously under way at Itireleng, near
> Laudium (which is an Indian township, for those who don't know it).
> In struggle,
> On 23/02/2008, Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za> wrote:
>> Well if we follow the Mugabe model as Manjoo suggests, we'll no doubt see
>> xenophobic "clean up the townships" campaigns targeting foreigners, in an
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