[DEBATE] : Zuma debate in Soweto Invitation

[claire ceruti]

Oh dear, Dominic, if you're not blushing in embarrasment now, you should be
after you speak to comrade Zico or to comrade Trevor (not Ngwane nor Fowler)
from the former greater Johannesburg region. The party is providing a
speaker on both the Soweto and the Johannesburg platforms, and organising
the venue for the Johannesburg meeting. The speaker from Joburg from the
party will be comrade Afrika Mosiu, who I believe is totally pro-Zuma. 

:]

Amandla! 
Claire

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:debate-bounces at debate.kabissa.org] On Behalf Of Peter Dwyer
Sent: 21 February 2008 12:40 PM
To: debate: SA discussion list 
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Zuma debate in Soweto Invitation

Dear oh dear oh dear Dominic....sometimes  I just dont know where to begin
with you. You are absolutely infuriating at times....You deny the need for
any discussion about the importance of what Zuma's election means for the
left  as 'shallow' and 'naive'.

Does that mean everytime SACP members, as revolutionaries, (who
fundamentally do not believe in reformism as the ultimate answer to the
problems of the working class) argued , lobbied and justified for Zuma over
Mbeki inside the Alliance that you were beng shallow and naive? Of course
not!  However that is the logic of your position against the debate, is it
not?

Now, as a socialist, who often calls for unity, you could be cynical that
the left outside of the Alliance simply wants to set up the debate so as to
knock Zuma down and those who support him. No doubt there are some on the
left like that.

However, I think those who are setting up the meeting have demonstrated
their solidairty with others e.g. striking Alliance workers and others etc
(some of whom no doubt support Zuma) many times over and so want a GENUINE
debate amongst the left about what Zuma's election means.

Afterall, it makes sense for any group on the left to want to debate this as
we all recognsie how important the victory was for the left. And afterall,
did not the CPGB and others on the  far-left in the UK all hold debates and
discussions on what the election of Blair meant for the Labour Party and the
left more widely? Is not the election of Zuma fundamentally the same
importance for the South African left and so therefore warrants a debate
amongst the left?

That a genuine attempt to develop political debate in a public meetng in
Soweteo is a credit. That you have responded the way in which you have is
tragic and very, very sad.

Peter


Dr Peter Dwyer
Bradford Resource Centre,
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Bradford, BD1 5DT.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dominic Tweedie" <dominic.tweedie at gmail.com>
To: "debate: SA discussion list" <debate at debate.kabissa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Zuma debate in Soweto Invitation


> Comrade Trevor,
>
> I have seen an invite for this from Claire Ceruti and now from
> yourself, but I cannot find anybody in the SACP who will own up to
> having anything to do with the event, so I will not publicise it.
>
> One well-known SACP comrade suggested that you guys just stick the
> party's name on stuff as a ruse to draw more people.
>
> Or maybe it is to deflect criticism that you might otherwise get from
> SACP members and supporters?
>
> As a party member let me tell you that I think the title of your
> gathering is unpolitical, shallow and naive. I don't know exactly why
> you want to individualise politics around JZ but that is what you are
> doing with your "cries of unity".
>
> Think up a better topic and we might be in business.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dominic
>
> On 20/02/2008, Trevor Ngwane <trevor_ngwane at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>              Dear Comrades
>>
>>  On Saturday 23 February 2008 there will be a discussion on the topic:
>>
>>  IS ZUMA THE ANSWER TO WORKING CLASS STRUGGLES?
>>
>>  This public debate is jointly hosted by the Soweto Electricity Crisis 
>> Committee, Keep Left, Socialist Group, Democratic Socialist Movement and 
>> the South African Communist Party Linda Jabani (Greater Johannesburg) 
>> District.
>
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