[DEBATE] : thabo's straw men and their zim straw man

[Peter Waterman]

Dominic:

Can I quote you as having said f**k the state?

Is this state that is getting f**ked by you a particular state, a particular 
kind of state, or the state in general?

Peter Waterman

(Suspected of having aided and abetted anarchists, autonomists and other 
sundry state-f**king elements).



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominic Tweedie" <hypercube at telkomsa.net>
To: "debate: SA discussion list " <debate at lists.kabissa.org>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: [DEBATE] : thabo's straw men and their zim straw man


|I think it's a diversion.
|
| The question is: How many people can you, Russell, put on the streets of
| Slunnun on April 3rd in solidarity with the Zimbabwe general strike?
|
| Two, four, six, eight, organise!
|
| And f**k the state.
|
| Domza.
|
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: debate-bounces at lists.kabissa.org
| [mailto:debate-bounces at lists.kabissa.org]On Behalf Of Russell Grinker
| Sent: 23 March 2007 09:13 PM
| To: 'debate: SA discussion list '
| Subject: RE: [DEBATE] : thabo's straw men and their zim straw man
|
| What this zwnews article is actually trying to argue - but seems too
| embarrassed to say outright - is that SA should impose economic sanctions 
on
| Zim in the same way that Vorster eventually did to Smith (which brought 
down
| the UDI government).
|
| What do people think about SA (what Patrick call SA sub-imperialism)
| imposing such sanctions?
|
| ***
|
| Subject: [DEBATE] : thabo's straw men and their zim straw man
|
| Date: 3/14/2007
| Source: www.zwnews.com
| Just as Vorster backed Smith, South Africa has backed Mugabe: in the
| Commonwealth, in SADC, in the AU, in the EU-ACP, and at the UN, using its
| recently acquired Security Council seat. South Africa has provided spare
| parts for Zimbabwe's military helicopters, electricity on credit, shared
| intelligence, and offered a very substantial financial bail out package,
| even if it was rather churlishly and publicly rejected by Mugabe.
|
| <snip>
|
| What is needed is not for South Africa to interfere, but to stop
| interfering.
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