[DEBATE] : Bye Jay

[peter waterman]

OK, folks, some of us don't live in that Disputed Presidency of Middle Earth 
called South Africa. So we have no way of knowing whether there is an actual 
and identifiable person behind the persona of Jay Bulworth.

Of course, there may be someone simply taking the piss (making fun) of Zuma 
and the Supremes..

But I am personally hoping there is a real person here, largely because of 
this paragraph:

'We do however welcome the idea of a promised 'Ministry of Social Movements
and Delivery' to be headed by a woman. This we believe will put an end to
the disturbing practice of NGOs appropriating the 'Voice of the Poors'. We
also look forward to working with a Zuma presidency on pivotal question
relating to aids prevention, gay rights and ESKOM load shedding.'

The idea of a Ministry of Social Movements, with or without Delivery, 
tickles MY funny bone. True we can have Ministries without Social MOvements, 
and Social Movements against (if not without) Ministries.

But this innovation might help us to at last sort out the 'Real Social 
MOvement that Transforms the Present Nature of Things' (Karl Marx, 1847) 
from the Ministerial Department of Delivery that keeps things untransformed.

Peter W.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Brutus" <dennisbrutus2002 at yahoo.com>
To: "debate: SA discussion list " <debate at lists.kabissa.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DEBATE] : Bye Jay


> hi; glad you dismissed jay bulworth. cheers  db
>
> Patrick Bond <pbond at mail.ngo.za> wrote:  Jay Bulworth - a mythical 
> character once played in a lovely film by
> Warren Beatty - will be unsubscribed immediately, as we don't have much
> time for silly anonymous folk here, sorry. (And yeah, we konw who sent
> this, for he subbed to debate 3 minutes before just to do so... )
>
> Jay Bulworth wrote:
>> Social Movements (Re)united
>>
>>
>>
>> New Social Movements for ZUMA
>>
>>
>>
>> On the eve of the historic ANC Polokwane conference it is incumbent on 
>> all
>> progressive forces to make their voices heard concerning the vital
>> leadership issue that will be decided there. The decision made at 
>> Polokwane
>> will affect all grassroots communities struggling for shelter, land and 
>> jobs
>> in our country. It is simply infantile abstentionism and irresponsible
>> purism to ignore this material and concrete fact.
>>
>>
>>
>> Struggling communities, whether made up of ANC supporters or not, must 
>> make
>> their voices heard on this question. We must lend our support to the
>> faction that will best advance the cause of the struggling masses.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the one hand we have outgoing President Thabo Mbeki, chief architect 
>> of
>> GEAR, Aids denialist and authoritarian of note. On the other hand, we 
>> have
>> Jacob Zuma, son of a migrant worker, friend of the poor and victim of 
>> elite
>> conspiracies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Comrades the choice is clear.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, our support, although unconditional must not be uncritical. In
>> exploratory discussions it has been indicated that an endorsement ahead 
>> of
>> the conference of comrade Zuma would not go amiss. However, we cannot 
>> agree
>> to have members of social movements who will announce our support for
>> Msholosi at the press conference determined for us. Dale McKinley is a
>> member in good standing of our movement and so is Trevor Ngwane. We
>> therefore refuse to be dictated to on this principle matter.
>>
>>
>>
>> We do however welcome the idea of a promised 'Ministry of Social 
>> Movements
>> and Delivery' to be headed by a woman. This we believe will put an end to
>> the disturbing practice of NGOs appropriating the 'Voice of the Poors'. 
>> We
>> also look forward to working with a Zuma presidency on pivotal question
>> relating to aids prevention, gay rights and ESKOM load shedding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since time is of the essence and some organisations will not be able to 
>> call
>> full general meetings in the time available, we take the liberty of
>> attaching your organisations name in the meantime, unless you get back to 
>> us
>> with instructions otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours comradely
>>
>>
>>
>> Jay Bulworth
>>
>> Chairperson (interim)
>>
>> Social Movements For ZUMA
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