[DEBATE] : Re: Moderator guidance - please completemultiplechoicepoll, thanks

[Richard Pithouse]

Every major democracy also has people at the border with guns. We can't benchmark much by that standard. 


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>>> clsmith at global.co.za 05/16/06 8:07 AM >>>
You can exclude people with reprehensible views, which is why every major 
democracy has laws against hate speech.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eharvey" <eharvey10 at telkomsa.net>
To: "'debate: SA discussion list '" <debate at lists.kabissa.org>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: [DEBATE] : Re: Moderator guidance - please 
completemultiplechoicepoll,thanks


Perhaps I may have missed out on some of the earlier debates
about this matter but are we not treading on dangerous and slippery ground?
It is much easier to agree on a specific procedure to deal with what many or
most debaters find objectionable comment but much harder to reach unanimity
about the substantial
issues: the kind of views, ideas, comment that is found reprehensible by the
majority. You cannot exclude someone because of their views, no matter how
much you disagree with them, because once you do that you will be faced with
a string of questions around justification for such action, which will
inevitably and invariably ask: what is explicitly the ideological, political
and philosophical parameters or commonality of this list. So procedure is
easy to reach agreement on but when to apply it won't be because this
presupposes commonality which does NOT exist on this list. When I look at
many - not only that of Peter Mahlangu - comments and views on this list I
am not sure it can be described as 'left'. It is a dubious leftist character
unless this left is so broad that it both denies and defies commonality, in
which case pushing for sanction against objectionable views is misleading
and unnecessary. Be also VERY careful that this tortuous exercise of what is
acceptable and unacceptable comment does not lead to inhibiting instead of
promoting debate. I fear it is going to lead to stifling debate. We are not
an organisation/party but a broad forum for debating many issues about which
you may have as many different views.

Ebrahim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mandi Smallhorne [mailto:mandiwrite at icon.co.za] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:17 AM
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Subject: [DEBATE] : Re: Moderator guidance - please
completemultiplechoicepoll, thanks

Option C, with the proviso that it should take more than a few complaints
from a range of debatrs to result in the strongest sanction.
Mandi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlene Smith" <clsmith at global.co.za>
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: [DEBATE] : Re: Moderator guidance - please complete
multiplechoicepoll, thanks


> I agree with this - should we leave the final formulation to the ever fair
> Patrick?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Waterman" <p.waterman at inter.nl.net>
> To: <pbond at mail.ngo.za>; "debate: SA discussion list "
> <debate at lists.kabissa.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:23 AM
> Subject: [DEBATE] : Re: Moderator guidance - please complete multiple
> choicepoll, thanks
>
>
> C, but carefully rewritten in the light of an on-line discussion, with
> either one or more final formulations that Debaters could then vote on or
> choose between. Any such vote should require a quorum, formulated in such
a
> way that it reveals whether or not those voting Yes are not simply in a
> majority of voters but a significant % of the Debate community. In the
case
> of not reaching such a minimal level, we would have to take it that said
> community is satisfied with the present (non)procedure!
>
> Secondly, Yes, the 10th anniversary of this remarkable list should be
> marked!
>
> P
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