[DEBATE] : Re: Rape

[Peter Mahlangu]

I have decided to no longer comment on what
constitutes rape, and what does not.

--- Alan Murphy <ecopeace at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> On date rape, it is conceivable that the woman might
> not have consented to
> sex.
> 
> 
> 
> Therefore it is self-evident that your taking it
> "with a pinch of salt" is
> both sexist and unethical – no matter to whatever
> obnoxious, inflammatory,
> derogatory and odious comparisons you allude.
> 
> 
> 
> Common law marriages as you note are oft mentioned
> phenomena, whether in
> ordinary figures of speech or as popular parlance
> reported in the press.
> Although this is sufficient reference for the point
> I made, I doubt if you
> are correct that there is no such thing in South
> African law.
> 
> 
> 
> "Reciprocal" does not mean your sexist
> interpretation. You can use a
> dictionary to confirm this.
> 
> 
> 
> Hijacking is about obtaining a vehicle through power
> and violence. You can
> try and argue otherwise when defending your clients
> in a court of law -
> similarly for rape. But although the transparent
> defect in the first
> argument is likely to be seen, this seems less
> likely in the second –
> because of patriarchal entrenched sexism.
> 
> 
> 
> The fact that violence is used to achieve an
> objective does in fact alter
> the perception, analysis, understanding that
> objective, state of mind,
> social circumstances, etc. quite opposite to any
> simplistic argument to the
> contrary: Especially when the violence is
> disproportionate to the resistance
> or the need to subjugate the victim.
> 
> If you cannot or will not see your own example of
> 'construction workers in a
> lorry . . . whistling at a beautiful woman' as being
> sexist and needlessly
> provocative, then I believe you do need to be
> disciplined as a member of
> this list
> 
> 
> 
> Otherwise it could so obviously not be considered
> racist to propose an
> example of shouting ethnic epithets in public being
> merely harmless
> libertarian freedom of speech.
> 
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
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> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Peter Mahlangu* <tshankimahlangu at yahoo.com>
> Date: May 10, 2006 5:57 PM
> Subject: [DEBATE] : Re: Proposed code for listings
> To: debate at lists.kabissa.org
> 
> Just to clarify my position, which has been
> deliberately twisted and taken
> out of contest by Alan to buttress his position
> about my imagined sexism:
> 
> On date rape, it is conceivable that the woman might
> have consented to sex.
> Contrasted with so-called stranger rape, it is
> inconceivable that a woman
> who is attacked in a dark alley or in her house by
> burglars or robbers can
> consent to sex. In the latter case, rape has been
> committed. No questions
> asked. The same cannot be said of date rape rape,
> that's why I take it with
> a pinch of salt. This is not sexit, it's
> self-evident.
> 
> So-called common law marriages are a creation of the
> media, and are no
> marriages at all. SA law recognises only civil
> marriages or those in terms
> of African customary law, hindu or muslim law.
> "Reciprocal legal
> obligations" is a euphimism to force boyfriends to
> legally support their
> girlfriends.
> 
> Rape is about sex, just as hijacking is about greed
> or the morally
> reprehensible desire for quick, tainted moeny. The
> fact that violence is
> used to achieve the objective does not change this,
> even if the violence is
> disproportionate to the resistance or the need to
> subjugate the victim.
> 
> Wolf-whistling is not sexist (just inappropriate and
> to be discouraged in
> certain circumstances), and no amount of politically
> correct propaganda can
> change this, and there is no need to deal with it
> through the agency of
> criminal law or dismissal procedures at work.
> Construction workers in a
> lorry do no harm to anyone when they whistle at a
> beautiful woman.
> 
> 
> On 5/10/06, Peter Mahlangu
> <tshankimahlangu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I want to stop posts on the emotional subject of
> rape
> > forever. I hope this is my last:
> 
> 
> So do I
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